Becky- K 2 (p2)

So I guess after having a girl I needed a MAN. LOL. I met K up at the market place for a few drinks and then we walked over to a gourmet pizza place we both liked. We shared a pizza and bottle of wine whiled listening to a live band playing in the court yard. This is the 2nd time we have done this and both enjoy it.
K asked to take me to this dive/wanna be strip club bar. I said yes of course :)
The bar reminded me of one back home and was interesting. We stayed for one drink, talked a bit then started to drive back to my car at the market place.
I told K about V coming over the night before and he said he was jealous that V got to come over. Haha. so, I told K he could come over.
K let me drive is EXTREMELY nice sports car! That was a blast. We went to the store then back to my place and hung out by the pool. I lit the Tiki torches and we went swimming. (hmm sound familiar? )
Then we went to my bedroom and he stayed the night. The 1st guy to ever stay.
In the morning we still had to go get my car. He let me drive his sports car again :)

Becky- V 7

V (F/26) is the first female I went on a date with. I met her at a bar about a month ago and been planning to meet up.
She came over to my place last night. I ordered pizza and we had some beers. We talked by the pool for awhile but it became too warm and muggy out so we decided to go swimming. I lit the new Tiki torches I just got and they were awesome to have next to the pool. (Helped to set the mood. LOL) We started to make out in the pool.
I’ve made out with girls before but usually cuz I’ve been drinking or just for fun etc. but this was different. It was an actual date. I have to admit I wasn’t sure what I should do, or how to act.
We ended up watching a movie and she then left in the morning.

Becky- M 6

M (m/27) asked me to meet up with him and a friend for drinks. After drinks we went back to M's condo to go swimming. Too many guys from the condos were getting in the pool so M's friend invited us to his house that also had a pool and theater room. They wanted me to invite a female friend of mine to join but she wasn't able to come.
We got to the friends house and went swimming. The friend that clearly had too much to drink kept hitting on me whenever M left or even had his back turned. I was started to get annoyed and pissed. Not to mention this other guy was gross. So, M and I went back to his place.

Becky- C 5

I met C (M/30 ish) at a party when I was on date 1 with Dr. We decided to go out last Saturday and go out to dinner.
He called me after working 10-12 shift. He apologized for being tired but insisted we still meet up for a date.
Right before the date my roommates asked if i wanted to go see a movie. Which, i had been wanting to see. the theater was in the same shopping center as my date. i told my roommates that i would make sure I'm done with the date early enough to make it to the movie.
C was clearly exhausted and constantly apologized for it. it was extremely annoying. i told him it would have been fine to reschedule but he didn't want to.
C is attractive but way too goody goody and proper for me. and the fact they he kept apologizing over every little thing ruined a chance of a second date.

Zack on Becky

Becky is behind on her blogging, but I will keep her tally on track. Last night she had her first date with a girl so hopefully at least that one gets some coverage. If not, I'll just write about what i saw from my home office while watching watching season 4 lost episodes.

Zack (S7)

Kind of a cheat, but S(23f) and I dated for like a month 6 months ago. She is cute and spunky, but no long term potential. She is fine around me, but is constantly talking about all of the drama in her life. She tends to exagerate the significance of events and comments and overvalues advice from her friends. All this and she proclaims to not be into drama.

We sat in the same bookstore as two of my other dates from this past weekend (they are going to start recognizing me there!) and talked while browsing books. She picked out a few discounted pieces of lit based on my recomendations and then we parted after a hug in the parking lot.

Zack (S6)

Short and sweet. S (27f) and I chatted several times online throughout the week. On Monday I was able to convice her that it was a good idea to invite me over to her place for some beers and cards. We watched one of my favorite movies until the credits and then took things to her bedroom. I swear all of this was harder back when I was 22. Are older women easier, or did I just get better at charming their pants off?

I drove home that night because I had to work in the morning. Kind of a long day, but worth it. Another date would be very doubtful. She was super nice, and I had a great time, but I would rather meet someone new.

Zack (K3) p2

I asked K out for Sunday afternoon around 4pm, knowing that my date with M4 would be over about 2pm and I would need to grab a bite to eat. I showed up to her place and found out that her neighbor that was supposed to babysit just bought a new 'pre-owned' car and the tire blew from the dealership. This gave me an hour of down time to hang out with her in her husband's (separated) house with her 5 year old daughter. Wow was that awkward.

I love kids, but I pretty much suck with the little ones. I am not goofy, or silly and I don't fake it well. Believe me I try, and K definitely thought I did a fine job, but on my own grading scale I give me a C-. Thankfully I am not often in the position to meet a married woman's spawn from her failed (but still existent) marriage. Weird.

We had dinner at Applebees on me, and then drove back to her place to watch a movie.... in her husbands bedroom. There is a special circle of hell just for me.

I don't like to kiss and tell, so lets flash forward a bit. K is naked on the bed and I am shirtless next to her. She tells me that she is in love with another man. Half of me is like "wow. ballsy." the other half is like "wtf do I care, this isn't serious you are fucking 37 years old. Someday I am going to put a baby in a woman, and if that day isn't tomorrow then that woman probably isn't going to be you."

From there we have this amazingly honest and heartfelt discussion on love, sex, relationships... everything. It is hands down the most honest conversations that I have ever had with someone. By the end I had insights on every part of the courting process and had given her the courage to make the decisions that needed to be made in her own love life. We dressed and she walked me to my car. A hug goodbye and I will likely never speak to her again.

Zack (M5)

M (32f) is a project manager for the web design division of a well known hosting company. She was super cool. Definitely the most comfortable conversation blogged about thus far. For the first hour we sat and talked about all the little things and bonded over several common dispositions including how personal a tattoo is and being a nerd is kick ass.

If you ever want to give the illusion that more time has passed than is actually the case, move the date to someplace new. This has several positive effects including giving her the impression that you are multidimensional. If you move the date (or go for a walk at least) you are basically on your second date. She will automatically be more comfortable because you have now done two things together and she will 'feel like she can trust you'. You also seem more interesting because she can look back on the date and her recap in her mind will be longer.

I took M on a walk around the same strip mall (a popular hangout and great for people watching) as C the previous night. Then we sat in the same cafe but this time had some ICB root beers to cool off after our walk.

On our 'second date' M told me about this blog she used to write called 'successful online dating'. I about shit a brick. The next 15 minutes were picking her brain about her findings. The beauty is that she basically can't say anything bad about something from our date because I had established for the last hour that I was more comfortable in my skin that she was in hers. She was just a touch nervous and a wink off balance the entire time. I had been making just the right amount of eye contact to make sure she knew I was judging her words, but not so much that she thought I was hanging on them. Anywho she rattled off several giant red flags that I wouldn't even bother to mention, but I guess other guys will do repeatedly. Things like being overly aggressive on a date. If you yell at a waitress you are a douche and should never get a second date. No need to 'reveal' this in a blog post. :)

Anyway M was a super cool chick that just didn't end up being attractive enough to me to want to ask out again. She should have no problems in the future, but just wasn't the right girl for me.

Zack (D2) p2

I had a nice time on round one with D and so we decided to hang out again. I took "The Fountain" over to her place about two and we watched it over some chips, salsa, and a VERY strong margarita. Let me take this time to say that the best way to get someone drunk is to give them a very weak mixed drink and then follow up with something stronger. If you just give them something strong to start with then 1) they know you are trying to get them drunk and 2) they are going to nurse the thing forever. So when D made me a margarita with 7 shots in it, I knew she was up to something.....

We bonded over a quality art film even though her brother (19) joined up for a the first 30 minutes or so. I never let a third wheel bother me and have learned how to take advantage of this situation when it falls in my lap. Impressing a close friend or in this case the little brother/ roommate is a great way to earn points with a girl. It isn't always easy, but it is always worth points. Having a third wheel around for a chunk of your date is not a bad thing if you know what you are doing.

After our intellectual bonding we physically bonded and then I told her I had to meet my roommates for dinner and hang out time. I left about 6pm for (C4) to her sadness.

Becky-J 4

J (M. 34) and I dated for about a month or so two yrs ago.He is in town and we made plans to hang out. June 26 we drove up to slider rock. My 1st time and it was awesome!
We both had a good time and started to drive back home when he asked that we have a few drinks and watch the sunset. We pulled off the freeway and walked a little ways into the Sedona dessert and sat on a blanket. After a drink each we made out. The sunset was gorgeous.
We came back to my place, had a few more drinks then after some fun we went swimming and he went to the place he is staying at.
He is attractive and we have some laughs together but he is a little too impatient for me.

Becky-M 3

Was waiting on a friend that was coming into town and he was taking too long. M ( M. says he's 24 but I wouldn't be surprised if he's older) called me up and wanted to hang out. We went out a few times but he is pretty cocky and checks out every single female when we're together. Which, is fine if we are just to be friends. There's just something I'm not sure about, he seems to be playing games I just can't figure out what game that is.
We are from the same area so we have that in common and it's nice to talk with someone that knows what McMenamins is. LOL
We went out a few times about a month or so ago but I wasn't feeling it and went out seperate ways until recently (june 25) he called me and I stayed at his place.
He's really more the booty call type and don't see anything more then that with him. He is cute and he has the body type that I am attracted to.

Becky-K 2

Went out with K (M 32) on June 21. Not the 1st date. But he is my favorite so far :) We went on a motorcycle ride. Which I love! And we went to a concert and target shooting.We have a lot in common and both don't want anything serious even though I get the feeling he wants a little more. With K its more about companionship and doing the things we both enjoy together and not so much about sex.

Becky-Dr 1

Well sat june 20th the 1st day of date wars I went to a party with Dr (mid 40's) I've gone out a few times with Dr so that wasn't awkard. But the party was for co-workers and students of his. At the begining it was SO boring. Everyone was trying to act all professional and yammer on about work/school/studies. But then people started to get some drinks in their systems and weren't so uptight.
Then it became fun. A dance floor was made and I dance for about 3 hrs. Yes I was in heels and my feet were killing me.
I met a few new people, guys and girls and exchanged numbers.
Dr and I are NOT serious and both agreed we were there to have a good time.
We left the party around 3 AM, our DD took us to his office where my car was and we parted ways.

Zack (C4)

On the first day of this contest I had two dates scheduled that canceled on me. One was with D (4of) that moved to Sunday and was my first official point. The second was C (28f) that canceled at the last minute because she was too drunk. Fine. So we rescheduled for drinks in a bar of her choice on Friday at 11pm, right after my date with K (37f). My plan was to text her at 9:00 to let her know that i was going to be running late and that way i could get another 30 mins if needed with K. Besides the annoyance of her flaking on the first date she also tells me a few days later that we will be having drinks with all of her friends since meeting people on the Internet is scary. Normally I can understand and respect the concern, but things are starting to add up with this girl to be a major headache.

So when I texted her at 9pm she tells me that she is already home from the bar and really sleepy. This isn't that surprising to me because of the first flake. In fact I had counted on it and that is why I double booked for Friday night in the first place!

I laid on the guilt as thick as I could without risking pissing her off and somehow making me look like a gentleman in the process. I consider this the trade for 'something fun' later. NEVER be mean to your date. The old adage 'Don't get mad, get even' is so true. I definitely had the right to be upset, but by being the bigger person I am more likely to actually get something in return later. Getting upset just brings the score back to even and I am too clever for that.

Saturday, the morning after the second flaking, we schedule for that night (after my second date with D). I vote for cards at her place (our original plan before she flaked the first time) but she counters with a movie. Now I love movies and I love dating, but I don't mix the two. Combine that with flaking on me twice and there is no way in hell that I am paying for her movie. I might have let her pay mine as a symbol of apology, but I would rather just save those points for later. We agree on coffee as long as she wears something cute.

I have found that girls often appreciate the opportunity to have their beauty efforts noticed. They also like to be ordered around playfully. This also opens the door for blatant staring and comments on clothes, jewelry, shoes, etc. in person later without risking being creepy. In general if you can set out some simple hoops for a girl to jump through, then they will concentrate on meeting expectations rather than worry about whether they should actually care about impressing you.

It is very unlikely that C will get a second date. She is not attractive enough in her online pictures and she has flaked on me twice. She is going to have to knock this one out of the park.

Immediately after leaving (D2)-p2 I called C4 (24f) to firm up our date. Part of me expected another flake, but she actually came through this time. We met at a bookstore in a strip mall and had a mocha frap (me) /tea (her) while we chatted in the bookstore cafe area.

C was incredibly nervous. She picked at her tea lid with both hands for the entire hour that we talked. She has a poor taste in movies and music, and claims to have no time to read. Lets pause here. During this date I actually contemplated how much time I am wasting with girls so obviously wrong for me. Then I remembered how I can learn something from everyone and made it a point to spend the rest of our time together trying to learn something valuable from her. Second pause. Who can't find time to read if they want to? Can you read 10 pages 3 nights a week? Cause that is 1500 pages/ year and would probably get you through 5 decent books. Everyone can find time to read something. If you don't read then tell me you don't like it. If you don't own your life, who does? Jesus.

So eventually C had some great things to say about her financial advising job and I learned something after all. We hugged at her car and I continued on to see a movie with Becky and one of our other roommates.

Zack (K3)

I started talking to K (37f) this week on the dating site. She is fairly attractive and has a certain southern charm. We met tonight for a drink and some conversation. I will say that dating someone a decade older than you can really shed some light on how women think. For example there is a hell of a lot less bullshit and drama to deal with. I'm starting to think that women dont love drama, 20 something women love drama. Our conversation wasn't full of unattractive rants or coy, shy pauses. K told me what she was thinking about her life and mine, but not in a loud or agressive way.

We discussed real things about our lives and flirted effortlessly throughout the evening. After a drink each we took a walk to a nearby park and made out for a few minutes. More walking and talking before reversing back to the park. After some more makout we walked back to my car and I drove her home.

K has a five year old and is looking for a relationship. It is very unlikely that I will see her more than a time or two more, but I think I will let her figure out what she wants to do with her new younger friend. I had a nice time and will probably give up a prime dating slot to see her again for makeout and no points.

Zack (D2)

Night time is the right time for chatting with girls online. I work early and like my sleep so I can't stay online later than like 9pm. This gives me a few hours after they get home from work to chat them up and get a number for texting. Texting is the new calling btw. I will NEVER call a girl before texting her first. Rewriting texts and being able to talk to multiple girls at once is definitely the way to go. Date #2 was a new D. (24f)

Tuesday night we talked a bit online and I asked for her number to text her again later.

June (24) The next day we texted several times and I asked her out for that night. She 'wanted to get to know me better first' since she had some bad experiences online in the past. Usually this just means I need to send some more texts before I will get to go out with her that night. I talked to her on the phone after he got off work and after an hour of chit chat we agreed to meet at a chill local bar for a drink.

It would be great if people put up some accurate pictures online to go with their inaccurate ones. That would save me the awkwardness of having to string things on a bit until I can pretend that I am not seeing them again for a less superficial reason. Whatevs.

Things go well and we take a walk around the neighborhood before she asks to 'check out her music in her car.' I didnt have to work the next day so I just drove home in the morning. I had a good time that night, but nothing serious with this one either.

Zack (D1)

Most of friday Jun 19th was spent on my favorite dating site sending messages and chatting with girls in the area. I am not about to let Becky talk all this trash about picking up guys. I feel like I need to represent my sex here and show her how easy it can be to get a first date.

While two girls cancelled on me on saturday, one of them rescheduled for Sunday that night. The other got moved to the following friday.

(Jun 21) I met D. (40f) at her place for a game of scrabble and some drinks. At this point the hard part is over. Scrabble and drinks at her place? There is exactly the right amount of subtlety so that she doesnt feel like a whore I guess. Not much more. D is a self proclaimed genius flaunting a high IQ in her online profile. Appealing to intellectually vane people is unbelievably easy. Girls that claim to be smart want to prove it at every turn. Challenge them to something. Scrabble was $12 at Walmart. I won by 100 points.

I had to drive home that night so that I could make work early in the morning, but things went according to plan. ;)

The Rules

1. Start Date Jun 20th 2009;

2. Dec 31st, 2009. The contest ends immediately if one person quits. Most likely this will be when either Zack or Becky meets someone of significance or when one person is losing so badly they have no hope of recovery.

3. What constitutes a point?

3.1 An inperson meeting with romantic intentions (of any time length) with a 'target' scores one point.

3.2 Only one point per target is ever possible no matter how many dates you go on with them.

3.3 Inelidgible targets include family members by blood, our other roommates, minors, and mentaly disabled persons.

3.4 Eligible targets include past exs, any age 18+, any gender. Romantic intentions ARE REQUIRED.

3.5 A group date will count as one point only.

3.6 If you ditch a target mid date for a new target, you must change locations to score an additional point.

3.7 There are no bonus points for difficulty, scoring frequency, or quality of target (either high or low).

5. If there is a dispute then Zack and Becky's mutal roommates will settle it after cases are presented. Their word is final.

6. Loser must purchase a trophy (with a plate) and present to the winner within 2 weeks of resignation.